Q25 : Global Context of Revelation 13
I'm currently working my way through issues related to preterism.
In a review of La Haye and Ice's
The End Times
Controversya
[within which Andy Woods contributed the chapter titled, "Revelation 13 and the First Beast"]
preterests respond:
Woods forces ge to mean the entire globe in Rev. 13:3 to claim that there
is not a local fulfillment; . . . there is no grounds for making ge
global except by begging the
question. He admits the word can have a local meaning, but claims that a
global nuance is added by the word "whole" and by the delimit in 13:7 of
"every tribe, people, language, and nation" -- never mind that contextually,
this describes adequately the "whole land" of the Roman Empire and all its
tribes, peoples, languages and nations. . . .1
I'm inclined to agree . . . that Rev.13:3 and 13:7 may not have a global scope in mind.
Preterists say
this describes adequately the whole land of the Roman empire and all its
tribes, peoples, languages and tongues. Futurists can't simply assert it has
a global referent.
It may do so but we can't from the context establish that
it does without begging the question. In fact futurist Hal Harless2
believes that Rev 13:7-10 does not have a global scope. He says it seems to imply a world-wide
rule - "authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was
given to him," and "all who dwell on the earth will worship him." But he
concludes that since other spheres of power are mentioned in prophecy (the
kings of the east, Gog and Magog, etc.) and the beast's realm has already
been shown to be a revived Roman Empire, this poses a problem. He points out
that Thayer notes that pas, "every" can mean every kind which would mean
that the beast's kingdom will be multi-national and multi-ethnic, ie. an
empire but not coextensive with the entire globe. He cites Keener who argues
that "all the earth" was used in other texts of John's time to mean all the
civilized earth, all that was under a mighty empire. Thus he thinks the
beast's realm may consist only of the area of the revived Roman Empire. This
makes sense to me especially since we are told there will be opposition from
other powers to the beast.
It seems to me therefore that we are best to treat such phrases as "all
kindred, tongue," etc as context determined. But what about the other
passages?
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Rev 5:9 is sung in heaven so why assume that the 24 elders would still be
limited in their awareness? Rev. 5:13 refers to every creature in heaven, on
earth and under the earth and sea praising God. Preterists could respond
that John 's focus is on the Roman empire although it wouldn't preclude
creatures outside the empire praising God. But the language suggests it is
exhaustive. Is heaven localised? John surely has in mind that everything
everywhere that has existence is praising God. His geography is thus not
limited to the Roman Empire.
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Rev. 7:9 says there was a great multitude from many nations, tribes and
tongues. The angel says they come out of the great tribulation (Rev. 7:14).
Preterists would say this refers to the events surrounding AD70 and
describes the multiracial members of the Roman empire. It would then have to
refer to christians from many nations who survived that event. But it was
primarily Jews (christians and non-christians) not christians from many
nations in Jerusalem at the time. Rev. 7:9 therefore suggests a global scope. In
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Rev. 10:11 the mention of kings suggests it is referring to more than the
Roman empire and more than just Nero and Vespasian.
Rev 16:14 refers to demons which go out to the kings of the whole world to
gather them to battle at Armageddon. The word 'world' is oikoumene. But who
do the kings of the east represent? This suggests that more than the Roman
Empire is in view. Preterists would accept this because they recognise that
oikoumene can embrace more than the Empire but what does this refer to?
Elsewhere in Scripture the east refers to the Assyrians and Babylonians (eg
Mt 2:1; Is 46:11). But when did these nations come together in this way
before AD 70? This suggests a global referent. Also preterists would accept
that the four corners of the world in Rev 20:8 refer to the whole world so
it follows that Rev 7:1 does too. Here the four angels hold back the four
winds of the earth. This also suggests a global referent.
Do you think I'm on the right track here?
1 www.tektonics.org/pretice2.html
2 halharless.home.comcast.net/papers/beast.htmb
Links Mentioned Above
a - See http://www.bestbookdeal.com/booksearch?country=US&search=TTL&string=The End Times Controversy. b - See http://halharless.home.comcast.net/papers/beast.htm.
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